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Have you ever pondered the idea that Australia is one day going to be a place akin to that of a highly corrupt second or third world country?

For background consideration, take in to account:

  • The popularity of such shows as Underbelly and such characters as 'Chopper'
  • The prestige of having convict bloodstock
  • Crime being cool and glamourised by such things as music, movies and video games
  • The constant findings of the actual police themselves involved in crime (whether this is for financial reasons, lack of respect for police (their own uniform) or because they know that criminality is more powerful than the police is unknown to me)

Now, consider the type of people who would be able to survive or thrive in the dangerous land of the criminal underworld, on the more extreme scale (forget the kids who steal phones from a guy walking home from the train station). They would be expected to be more than capable of looking after themselves. They would be considerably tougher than your average person, in the sense that they are less likely to show fear or even be scared in situations that would cause many other people to get nervous or edgy. And so it goes on.

Now consider the emasculation of society. These days we are taught to walk away from a fight (and the bigger man does so, apparently), that men and women are completely equal, on all levels - we could go on for days on that topic.

Now factor that in to the upbringing of someone.

A person who opposes the way they are 'supposed' to be by the unnatural conditions society wishes to see them live by and lives their lives completely natural, say your average young man or adolescent, and will stand up for himself, will not be afraid to throw a punch (and not feel ashamed for doing so), and will not hesitate to call a spade a spade is going to be conditioned to see his behaviour (and in essence his natural, unrepressed self) as being 'bad' or 'wrong', as will be reinforced to him when he gets in to trouble with low level authorities such as the education system.

This person, provided they are not a thug or a bully, would make an excellent police officer. However, due to their run ins with the system, and perhaps even the legal one at that, they are highly unlikely to become police officers (and who could blame them?).

This marginalises this type of person, who otherwise would make a fine individual, and there is nothing wrong with them, except that they are perhaps an assertive and self assured individual, and to some people this is seen as most undesirable (in perhaps that despotic way of desiring domination, power and control over many people, which is so common and prevalent everywhere you look) and something that needs to be stopped to make themselves feel more self assured.

Quite clearly, even if not completely a broken individual, this person is going to be resentful with most systems of authority, and a marginalised person in society, due to their being looked at as a bad person, and someone to stay away from. Consider when you were younger and your parents telling you to stay away from the naughty kids (at 5 or 6 years old). Factor in to account the stigma associated with that act, and how it is going to make that kid feel, and how that kid is essentially written off for the rest of their lives.

They are more likely than not to then become involved in the criminal underworld, whether or not being active participants in it or just knowing people who are.

These 'tough' (though perhaps a more apt term is 'man') people would make ideal police officers.

A lot of people say that police are tough, and indeed they appear so, it might be the way they are trained, you wouldn't want the police force appearing weak to the public, however I don't think a lot of police are tough. It's not hard to get in to a state of mind of feeling bulletproof and invincible when you carry a gun, baton, handcuffs, pepper spray, are trained in the use of all, and are allowed to arrest people, and typically deal with people who aren't 'hard men'. It is interesting to notice how police act around the average person they are arresting and how they act around the heavies. Not that I've seen it much, but the police will be respectful, almost polite to the heavies, as if they know their place, compared to the average person whom they will try and walk all over, which makes me think that these types of police (of which they all are not) are clearly on a power trip, becoming more bold and brash with each abuse of power they get away with, when in reality, they would be nothing of the sort if not a police officer. If the person mentioned previously, who has been marginalised by society and had their behaviour reinforced as negative, became a police officer and never had the type of experiences where they were made to feel bad for being themselves, they would be an outstanding member of the police force and unlikely to ever power trip or, for want of a better term, be an arsehole. I think we all know that the type of person who becomes a bully is the type of person who isn't tough, and is actually extremely sensitive, albeit in a more fucked up way, where they like to inflict pain (sadists) on others to make themselves feel better, and is not an uncommon type of person in the police force, according to first hand reports I've had from reliable people.

That is all the background information. Now I will try and give my theories (which are very short) which will hopefully make more sense now you have an idea of how I think on this matter.

-Kids these days are being raised more and more by the TV, the computer and other forms of popular culture. This is established. There is an increasing lack of respect for law, order, the police and society in general. This is also established. Such things as the police loading a couple of kids in to the paddy wagon and mounting gutters and driving erratically so as to 'teach them a lesson' (they perhaps wanted to be sentencing judges, but they don't get to carry guns do they?) is not going to give these kids any respect for the cops, and when relayed to their mates their tale (which has possibly happened to others they know) is going to cause even further, widespread dislike of the police amongst that youth subset, which is going to be reinforced by the themes in media and entertainment.

-In my experience having watched these types of people grow up, they are likely to become involved with low level crime (that is only if they become involved in crime, most of them, in fact, the overwhelming majority will not), such as growing dope, drug dealing, stealing cars, armed robberies and break and enters. These kinds of people are relatively easy for the police to deal with, there isn't that associated fear with them, and what they are doing is relatively low end anyway, though it can be rather violent.

Anyway where am I going with this.....

I would say a lot of the heavies are tough, whereas a lot of police want to feel tough. Clearly a different type of animal.

Whereas heavies involved in high level crime will be dealing with such things as threats against themselves and will either become accustomed to the stress associated with such a lifestyle or will find they can't cut the mustard and will breakdown, the police hardly have to live like that. For example, if someone like that feels that someone is out to get them, and knows who it is, they might be inclined to get in first. Your average person is not like this and would be overcome by the fear. Much like a police officer, who is just an average person in uniform, completely different from these others previously mentioned, which is why perhaps there are criminal or forensic psychologists or whatever they call them.

My point is, due to a large number of phony tough police officers, who are no where near the calibre of big time criminals, they will always reach breaking point (emotionally or psychologically) before their adversaries will.

I find an example of this to be the revenge attacks after the Cronulla riots. The police knew of the convoy of males of middle eastern appearance whom were inbound and clearly on a mission of vengeance, yet did nothing, and apparently were instructed to do nothing. Clearly they have become ruled by fear in this circumstance, against people whom I wouldn't consider the true tough, but more closely aligned to being violent thugs in a group. Nothing compared to a real fearless person, as opposed to a show no fear person.

All this points to the eventual total takeover of this country by violent subversive groups perhaps acting only in their own self interests, due to the fact that they often are not phony tough, and will have the mental edge over their opponents, that being the police force, whom cannot psychologically stomach coming face to face or confronting them in any way, shape or form.

What ever happened to the tough copper? They are a rare breed these days, replaced by the officer who is tough until presented with someone who has done something more serious than 80 in a 60 zone.

The calibre of police officer these days, is for the most part, too soft to be able to deal with anything more serious than a bar room brawl or teenagers spraypainting an alleyway.

And it clearly shows. Give it time. The corruption is already showing and spilling out of the cracks, however, unlike in days past where the police were still respected by the bulk of society, they have an ever less amount of trust and respect in the community at large, and when organised crime surfaces to be more public and accepted than it presently is, the police will be left almost powerless to move against them (due to their own corruption) and will have a distinct lack of respect from the rest of society.

What are your thoughts? I am most certain I was unable to properly convey what it was I was thinking.


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" . . . I am most certain I was unable to properly convey what it was I was thinking."

You might be right.

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No, no, no! Look, we all KNOW the Muslims are going to take over Australia!

Afterall, we read it everytime a new thread is created by the RIghtards here! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

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Post Re: The eventual total takeover of Australia by organised crime
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Have you ever pondered the idea that Australia is one day going to be a place akin to that of a highly corrupt second or third world country?




So you feel that out of this primordial soup will arise organised crime. How, exactly?


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Have you ever pondered the idea that Australia is one day going to be a place akin to that of a highly corrupt second or third world country?


Of course I have. We appear to be filling it up with second and third world people right now, so the premise that we will become a second or third world country is very likely.

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For background consideration, take in to account:
• The popularity of such shows as Underbelly and such characters as 'Chopper'
• The prestige of having convict bloodstock
• Crime being cool and glamourised by such things as music, movies and video games
• The constant findings of the actual police themselves involved in crime (whether this is for financial reasons, lack of respect for police (their own uniform) or because they know that criminality is more powerful than the police is unknown to me)


Nice to see that I have a kindred spirit who realizes that the media is responsible for a great deal of crime.

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lot of people say that police are tough, and indeed they appear so, it might be the way they are trained, you wouldn't want the police force appearing weak to the public, however I don't think a lot of police are tough.


Your premise is confirmed by Detective Sergeant Time Priest, who recently wrote that the NSW Police Force should tone down it’s political correctness, and once again recruit big men who are physically intimidating.

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-Kids these days are being raised more and more by the TV, the computer and other forms of popular culture. This is established. There is an increasing lack of respect for law, order, the police and society in general.


This is very true. How many “prison” movies have you seen where the roles of hero’s and villains is reversed? The criminals are the nice guy heroes and the guards are the baddies. Then there is pop culture, which appears to be designed solely to erode parental authority over adolescents and teenagers.

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All this points to the eventual total takeover of this country by violent subversive groups perhaps acting only in their own self interests, due to the fact that they often are not phony tough, and will have the mental edge over their opponents, that being the police force, whom cannot psychologically stomach coming face to face or confronting them in any way, shape or form.


I personally think that our legal system can not survive in a culturally divided society. It was never designed to cope with entire communities regions who’s cultural values are diametrically opposed to the mainstream, nor to terrorism, or organized international crime syndicates. The prognosis is not good. But hey! How many times do we have to shout a warning before the apathetic wake from their torpor, and the “social progressive” (read…"social regressive”) caste figure out that their holy Human Rights scriptures which will Save The World is just another kooky philosophy which is destined to destroy the very successful society that they choose to live in?

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Joe Hockey has critisised some states for bringing in 'stop and search" . I think Joe is barking mad. I would recommend Joe walks down most city streets in the late dark hours of the night-without escort- just to experience the fun of it. If he survives he can tell us all about it. People are going armed, first it was the thugs and now some are taking weapons for self protection. Does Joe think that tut tutting the police is going to stop all that?
I would rather live in a police state where the streets are safe than as they are now.

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"The eventual total takeover of Australia by organised crime"

I could live with that if push came to shove. as the preferred option to the "house of peace". I reckon the crims would be less of an impost on society than the "peace" that most would decry. So there.

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Sydney has just seen an extended Italian crime family busted for various criminal activities.


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People are going armed, first it was the thugs and now some are taking weapons for self protection. . . . .

Progress at last :roll eyes2:

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Boondocker wrote:
themessenger wrote:
Have you ever pondered the idea that Australia is one day going to be a place akin to that of a highly corrupt second or third world country?




So you feel that out of this primordial soup will arise organised crime. How, exactly?


If the police keep letting major crime go ahead, whilst pursuing relatively minor offences, then high level organised crime will flourish and eventually get to a state where it is virtually untouchable.

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Joe Hockey has critisised some states for bringing in 'stop and search" . I think Joe is barking mad. I would recommend Joe walks down most city streets in the late dark hours of the night-without escort- just to experience the fun of it. If he survives he can tell us all about it. People are going armed, first it was the thugs and now some are taking weapons for self protection. Does Joe think that tut tutting the police is going to stop all that?
I would rather live in a police state where the streets are safe than as they are now.


I wouldn't mind living in a police state, but not with some of the police who get around today running the show.

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"The eventual total takeover of Australia by organised crime"

I could live with that if push came to shove. as the preferred option to the "house of peace". I reckon the crims would be less of an impost on society than the "peace" that most would decry. So there.


Provided you leave them alone, which includes not opening a business that they desire to have the monopoly of.

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Sydney has just seen an extended Italian crime family busted for various criminal activities.


That's not completely bad news.


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If the police keep letting major crime go ahead, whilst pursuing relatively minor offences, then high level organised crime will flourish and eventually get to a state where it is virtually untouchable.


High level crime is "flourishing" because our judiciary and our politicians are soft on serious crime. In Victoria during the 2000-2009 decade, the Victorian Police, utilising a very courageous member of the public and two very successful undercover police officers, managed to smash no less than five major criminal gangs which were both importing and distributing drugs such as cocaine, speed, and amphetemine precursers. The convicted criminals then put out $100,000 dollar "contracts" upon the heads of the undercover police, the courageous member of the public (who had to leave the country), and even on their families.

The heaviest sentence imposed was seven years, which was really five with good behaviour. Meanwhile, some stupid Labor politician is crowing that he has fixed it so that it is "impossible" for the public to ever use our own parliament to reinstitute the death penalty.

With socialist politicians more worried about preserving the useless lives of psycho criminals than the lives of the police or community minded Crown witnesses, no wonder the police don't want to upset the criminals and put their own lives in danger, just to see the courts give another slap on the wrist.

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Meanwhile, some stupid Labor politician is crowing that he has fixed it so that it is "impossible" for the public to ever use our own parliament to reinstitute the death penalty.

Anything like that that is done can be undone of course. Tautology in red?

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With socialist politicians more worried about preserving he the useless lives of psycho criminals than the lives of the police or community minded Crown witnesses, no wonder the police don't want to upset the criminals and put their own lives in danger, just to see the courts give another slap on the wrist.

Ain't that the truth? I would also suggest that a spin off is that the general public will develop a lesser regard for the law as it applies to trivial offences. When they see that that the real crims get slaps on the wrist, is it any wonder?

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Mate , I've got bad news for you , the country is already run by organised criminal gangs, but we call them political parties.

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