BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

Classic.

Yes, Im dead serious.

You 2 dimwits ignorance knows no bounds, rejoice in it.

Two points ol matey.

First one, thanks for the interesting and somewhat enlightening link. A good read and yes, somewhat challenging to one's basic education.

That said, the term Flat Earther as such (this is the second point mate), is wholly misdirected and innappropriate in its usage. I would suggest you read your own link a little more thoroughly, you see, I have no doubt that the Earth is round, none at all. As such, it is simply innacurate name calling you throw about.

I am at least appreciative of accessing some knew (for me) knowledge. Currently though, you have failed to further your position out of box two.

However, I am still quitte forgiving - by all means I invite you to test that out.

There is much more for you to learn, you have been purposely disinformed, propagandized.

Now that I have shown you the light, you can make the journey on your own. Knowing that you do not prefer lies and disinformation to truth.

The truth is out there, buried in the source material, and in serious science historians works. Unfortunately people with political agendas have been selling you truthiness, and you along with a whole lot of other people been swallowing it whole. It is a direct assault on Christian Civilization, designed to impugn it.

Look mate, please understand that I mean no offense, albeit I fully understand the following may be offensive at some level. I offer my apologies in advance as such.

What you showed me was ONE tiny piece of information, that is all. Yes, you taught me a little something. However, I cannot say it any clearer, your view of the light and mine woudl seemingly be 'light' years apart. That is not necessarily about the "TRUTH" and I hope you can get that.

As it would seem, there are a great many truths out there and, consequently, a great many fallacies.

You are correct, I do not prefer lies and disinformation, I also no prefer being abused by one, particularly one who talks in terms of truth and light. That is wholly unacceptable, as such, I reckon you may need to look more closely at your own light.

Disinformation is plenyful and NO human institution appears to be above that. Again, I know it might offend and that is not my intention, but, for someone who is not "Christian" as such, it is not difficult to see a great many Christians as disinformed and propagandised. Maybe one day we will both shift in our insights views and opinions - but I MUST make it clear to you that IMHO we ALL find our own truths when the time is right for us to. Holding that idea means I don't need to stoop to abuse, censure and shut down the moment I am disagreed with. I would think this is a basic in human interaction and understandinig, however, that appears to be not so basic.

Planting slogans, pasting huge snippets of 'information' (or disinformation from time to time) is not an effective adult education method for a start. Going on the attack whenever an issue of challenge is raised also fails to demonstrate the lesson (that is the bees with honey comment put in straigter terms).

People very very clearly do not ALWAYS know the truth when they see it. We people (You included mate) are very flawed, our egos just make it hard for us to see that. I think that is also linked with how we are socialised, taught and yes, how we worship that which we don't fully grasp.

On the issue of 'truth', there are no absolutes.

How about death and taxes?

Phem, let me shoot it to you straight.

You are free to choose to not be a Christian or believe in God. That is NOT what we are discussing.


I have shown you more than a little snippet. I have shown you and enumerated some of the groups that are hellbent on demonizing and discrediting Christians, Christianity, and Christian Civilization. These groups are powerful, they are broadly on the Left and of the Left. I showed you that they will propagate outright LIES to do so.

That is not insignificant.

Im sorry that I had to publicly humiliate you to do so, but that is what it takes to get people to even consider that my assertions just might be true. I have been repeatedly treated with contempt and belittlement for advocation of what is historical truth, some could care less, about the truth, because they are in possession of "The Truth." Its why the 88 professors that condemned the Duke Lacrosse Team on the false charges of Raping a Black Woman, never issued an apology and in fact defended their condemnation, because they are merely advancing a "Larger Truth."

Im sick and tired of it mate. These people need to be publicly derided and treated with disgust and contempt, for their outright lies, lies of ommission, lies of selection, using a string of exceptions as representative of the prevaling attitude of Christians, Christian Institutions, and Christian Civilization for the purposes of demonizing Christian Civilization. Im mad as hell, and Im not gonna take it anymore.

As I said, Im unafraid of what someone that is truly a truth seeker finds upon deep contemplation of the matter, quality research, on the matter. The truth is easy to discern, once you can get someone to snap out of pop culture, politically motivated biased treatese, and media saturation reinforcement of lies.

This is serious business mate. This has consequences far reaching that you cant appreciate perhaps, being that you are disposed to also being anti Christian. Never the less, it will have dire consequences for you as well in the long run, even if you cant appreciate that at the moment.

I never claimed to be in possession of all truth. I am a truth seeker, and I despise liars who speak with a forked tongue.

May I suggest a book, which perhaps will give you some new insight. Its just a starting point, and even though it is sympathetic to the Catholic Church and Christianity, it is well documented. It will give you a broad overview of the other side of the argument, which I think you will find persuasive. How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, by Thomas Woods.

Christians, Christianity, and Christian instiutions are not infallible, individuals and institutions within the realm of Christendom have done their fair share of dirty deeds, but the demonization that they have recieved is way over the top, into the realm of the promotion of false narratives, which are not representative of the broad reality of history.

This is your history and heritage too mate. And lies and disinformation should be abhored, even if they are politically advantageous. That is Christian morality and ethics for you mate....your inheritance. That which was bestowed upon you by your Christian forebears, whether you realize it or not.

According to many the latter is not "the truth" and the former is to be cheated upon for as long as possible.....

But they are both inevitable.....

Chilly, one of the reasons you are met with hostility is because you set up a ridiculous binary opposition of Christianity versus anything non-Christian. Another is that you never explain how Christianity is going solve all these problems you perceive.
When you label people as paedophiles and 'destroyers of Western civilisation', like you have to myself, then you will be met with hostility. You do exactly what you accuse your opponent of doing.



Well, I'll see you in the trenches then. There's no way on earth I will sit idly and allow any superstitious religious beliefs take hold here in Aus.

Christians and Christianity do lie.

Christians are not necessarily christian.

H2O is one who "seeks the truth" in his own way through a narrow view of the field of possibilities and does want to impose said "truth" on others.

What think you of Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, Second Vatican Council's Declaration on the relation of the Church to non-Christian religions, Dominus Iesus and Responses to Some Questions Regarding Certain Aspects of the Doctrine on the Church ? These were issued by and under the authority of the relevant Pope?

Does it make you feel disappointed that you are not a member of the "one true faith" and its Church ?

Well, I'll see you in the trenches then. There's no way on earth I will sit idly and allow any superstitious religious beliefs take hold here in Aus. --- Time

And you will support any lie and any slander, any false narrative, any manipulation of facts, distortion of data, in your war on Christianity and Christian Civilization.

You sir, are scum.

Lets hope that scum like you are defeated.....and truth prevails.

Any you trot out lies, slander, false narratives, and manipulation of my position.

So then fuck you ya backward, sky-pixie worshipping, troglodyte, narcissistic, illiterate, celebate, white trash piece of shit.

PS - I too was fed the narrative of lies and falsehoods, which sought to demonize Christianity....indoctrinated with purposeful disinformation.

Of course these people wish to build a new Civilization, so instead of balanced analysis of Christian Civilizations past....truth does not matter to these people, only their agenda.

As such, I will always be virulently attacked, derided, and ridiculed.....for challenging the lies defiantly and speaking Truth to Power.

Many people prefer the lies....as its much easier to get ahead in the marched through institutions that way. Just as Global Warming Deniers are persecuted, prevented from publishing, slandered, harassed, suffer career and economic negative consequences for speaking Truth of Power. Its the same, with this issue.

Yet still many have not sold their souls yet.

Still enjoying the Flat Earth slander, Mr. Literacy. Im taking it that you are one of the ones, that actually knew it to be a slander, and were just giving ole boy a pat on the back for a job well done, bashing truth tellers over the head with that ole gem.....being that you are Mr. Advanced Progressive Literate Establishmentarian.

Heh?

At least Phem is a truth seeker who was bamboozled by the slanderous lies. You are the supporter of the lies.

You are less than pond scum. You filth.